tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870174261688457109.post8630265199606252937..comments2023-08-23T08:29:07.311-06:00Comments on The Cab Franco Files: WN: Havens 2006 Hudson T Block Carneros SyrahCabfrancophilehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10408854685852702400noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870174261688457109.post-11466472110998471212010-11-14T00:27:57.409-07:002010-11-14T00:27:57.409-07:00Just saw this, late in the history. But if you re...Just saw this, late in the history. But if you read Alice Feiring's old NYT article on "wine technology," nothing more specific, it is a case study in special pleading, a set of Luddite conclusions looking for any detail to back them up. You will find there neither good science journalism nor good wine journalism. Might have something to do with her abrupt exit from that job??<br /><br />Do the tendencies of that article correspond with her latter-day wine prejudices? It appears so.K. Glassnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870174261688457109.post-13712251470212964702010-01-16T10:33:57.664-07:002010-01-16T10:33:57.664-07:00Alice, please see the edited text. I still interp...Alice, please see the edited text. I still interpret your article as I did. But I hope I've been more fair to you in this version.<br /><br />I do respect and appreciate your recommendations, especially with respect to the Loire. I'm not anti-natural, nor am I pro-Parkerization. Hell, if it's imported by Kermit Lynch, that's a recommendation to me in and of itself.<br /><br />It's just the partisan nature of the discussion gets tiresome. That's what I intended to highlight.Cabfrancophilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10408854685852702400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870174261688457109.post-23763995848086133372010-01-16T09:46:03.921-07:002010-01-16T09:46:03.921-07:00Alice, perhaps you didn't outright bash the pr...Alice, perhaps you didn't outright bash the process, but it more or less read to me as one process and one winemaker being lumped in amongst other more nefarious processes and winemakers. And no, I haven't tasted any of the older vintages. So they may well differ. I haven't like every Havens wine I've tasted, but they aren't the typical squeaky clean Cali fruit bombs.<br /><br />I've engaged in a bit of hyperbole here. Haven't you ever done the same? (I'd say yes.) I'll happily edit the offending text so I'm not putting words in your mouth, however. My intent was not to attack you personally, just to write something mildly provocative for my tiny subset of readers.Cabfrancophilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10408854685852702400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870174261688457109.post-62972002284371147372010-01-16T08:56:08.993-07:002010-01-16T08:56:08.993-07:00I'm not sure how you extrapolated that I criti...I'm not sure how you extrapolated that I criticized Michael for using MOX. <br /><br />He willing participated in that interview in 2001. <br /><br />Michael was a peach, very helpful. <br /><br />Back in 2001, MOX was totally new to me. I didn't have an opinion on its use. I was just researching an article and trying to figure it out for myself. After that piece ran, he sent me some samples and true, I wasn't a fan. Must have been the 1999 vintage. And no I can’t remember my notes as I took them way too long ago and perhaps before you were drinking. <br /><br />Let me state clearly, I have never written about his wines pro or con. So let me ask you, where is the basis for your Feiring slurs? Where is your basis for saying I've written negatively about him? Most importantly, how can you possibly surmise that I would be’ smiling’ about someone else's misfortunes? What possibly could be your motivation for writing (and in public) such a mean-spirited and wrong-minded concept? <br /><br /> Look, bash me for raising awareness on the use of wine technology, bash me for being an advocate of natural wines, bash me for something I wrote---if you have the need to bash without discussion---but please, just bash me for the right reasons instead of taking irresponsible swipes because you have this prejudice against and dislike for me.<br />January 16, 2010 7:51 AMAlicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11367115057068815130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870174261688457109.post-7341557949478853142010-01-15T22:35:03.915-07:002010-01-15T22:35:03.915-07:00If the wine is good, the producer has solid philos...If the wine is good, the producer has solid philosophical reasoning for however they make the wine, and their not wrecking the environment in doing do- that's good enough for me.<br /><br />Life's too short to wring your hands over this stuff the way some folks do IMO.Matt Mauldin https://www.blogger.com/profile/08730509895080535690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870174261688457109.post-90550258654518111452010-01-15T19:24:14.400-07:002010-01-15T19:24:14.400-07:00What dude, you don't like Alice? Just kidding....What dude, you don't like Alice? Just kidding...her dogma is a bit much for me as well. If it's good wine, it's good wine. Right? Who cares what happens to it (well, to a certain degree). I think that's how I feel most of the time.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01194752605118852057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870174261688457109.post-56328249513276010162010-01-15T17:45:53.265-07:002010-01-15T17:45:53.265-07:00That sounds like a really good wine. I appreciate...That sounds like a really good wine. I appreciate your take on Alice Feiring. I like the ideas of bio-dynamic viticulture, natural methods of production, lower alcohol etc as much as the next person. But none of these things are always black and white, and her dogma is a turn off IMO...Matt Mauldin https://www.blogger.com/profile/08730509895080535690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870174261688457109.post-79671455904425072302010-01-15T09:54:36.170-07:002010-01-15T09:54:36.170-07:00Oh, I didn't even realize that I picked up a d...Oh, I didn't even realize that I picked up a different vintage. You're right. I got the 04. It will be interesting to see whether or not I like these, but I'm a whore for a good Syrah--California or not. (And for the record, I've liked Zaca Mesa and Pax quite a bit in the past.)It will be interesting to see how this measures up to the Owen Roe I had the other day...I don't know if I'll drink it this weekend, but I will soon.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01194752605118852057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870174261688457109.post-80517201364145513262010-01-15T09:48:34.104-07:002010-01-15T09:48:34.104-07:00Yeah, I saw the '04 Hudson Syrah was a bit mor...Yeah, I saw the '04 Hudson Syrah was a bit more expensive at K&L. Should be interesting since it has a little age. Notes on the '05 Hudson Syrah have been mixed--either it's too young, or has more oak and tannin than the fruit can support. '04 and '06 are getting positive rep, though.<br /><br />I'm very interested to see what you think about these. There are definitely good winemakers in CA, but signal to noise ratio is an issue. So many new producers charging a lot for simple, big, fruity wines. Takes effort to dig up the gems.Cabfrancophilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10408854685852702400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1870174261688457109.post-72787268933805166632010-01-15T09:37:20.047-07:002010-01-15T09:37:20.047-07:00Sounds like an awesome wine. I picked a bottle up ...Sounds like an awesome wine. I picked a bottle up at K&L, but it was 25$ instead of 18$. I also got a couple bottles of that Napa Merlot because it was only 7$. <br /><br />It's interesting how intriguing the good California wine-makers can be, isn't it? It's just that you really have to seek them out...Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01194752605118852057noreply@blogger.com